Has the Ventura Harbor Patrol fulfilled their obligation of enforcement on the water

[cisurfer]

you guys need to open your eyes. Hooping is not the only thing goin on at ventura harbor. They have done a fantastic job of fulfilling their obligation of enforcement on the water. When it comes to managing the hooping activity at the breakwall they have done a very POOR job. But Ventura harbor is a very active harbor and their job consists of a much broader scope than hooping.

Sorry guys, but you gotta get over it, other people use the harbor too.

Or re-word the poll to: have they done a poor job enforcing/managing hooping activity.

[fishkiller]

Originally Posted by cisurfer

you guys need to open your eyes. Hooping is not the only thing goin on at ventura harbor. They have done a fantastic job of fulfilling their obligation of enforcement on the water. When it comes to managing the hooping activity at the breakwall they have done a very POOR job. But Ventura harbor is a very active harbor and their job consists of a much broader scope than hooping.

Sorry guys, but you gotta get over it, other people use the harbor too.

Or re-word the poll to: have they done a poor job enforcing/managing hooping activity.

i agree

[Ding A Ling]

The poll was worded in such a way as to generate definitive answers, in this case yes or no. If the Harbor Patrol had an excellent reputation for enforcement of hoop netting related problems but a terrible reputation for BUI enforcement, (Boating under the Influence), would it be fair to state that they have fulfilled their obligation of enforcement on the water? The poll was not designed to rate their performance such as 1 – 5. It was simply designed to produce the result of your opinion of the question, with the limitation of yes or no. I believe the question to be fair and relative to issue at hand as it is worded, but I also acknowledge your objection as stated. Everyone is free to vote as they see fit and I encourage this as well!

[edskii]

I went out last night, the first open night since the new arrangement. The patrol was cordial, mentioning that they thought my nets were to close to the wall. I told them that I measured by the length of my kayak and then some and they were ok with that. They sent two boats back to the docks for minor equipment infractions, but issued no tickets. There were only two divers out and they stayed in the area we can't go. The patrolman said that he was directed to issue more citations so beware guys. Let's do things right whether we agree or not. One thing for sure that they want to see is tight sets. It is frustrating though to see what little area we have to hoop.

[cisurfer]

Originally Posted by Ding A Ling

The poll was worded in such a way as to generate definitive answers, in this case yes or no. If the Harbor Patrol had an excellent reputation for enforcement of hoop netting related problems but a terrible reputation for BUI enforcement, (Boating under the Influence), would it be fair to state that they have fulfilled their obligation of enforcement on the water? The poll was not designed to rate their performance such as 1 – 5. It was simply designed to produce the result of your opinion of the question, with the limitation of yes or no. I believe the question to be fair and relative to issue at hand as it is worded, but I also acknowledge your objection as stated. Everyone is free to vote as they see fit and I encourage this as well!

i think you need to reread my response. I said Yes and i also said why

so is your question restricted to their job in regards to hooping activity or the entire harbor.

you want definitive answers but your question is very general. Their job of enforcement includes a broad area, the ventura keys, the area surrounding the harbor, the launch ramp, the unloading/processing facility by andreas, the operation of the hoist etc.

With regards to recent issues, were you looking for if they enforce hoop net activities properly? or the entire harbor area?

[GDmike]

Originally Posted by edskii

I went out last night, the first open night since the new arrangement. The patrol was cordial, mentioning that they thought my nets were to close to the wall. I told them that I measured by the length of my kayak and then some and they were ok with that. They sent two boats back to the docks for minor equipment infractions, but issued no tickets. There were only two divers out and they stayed in the area we can't go. The patrolman said that he was directed to issue more citations so beware guys. Let's do things right whether we agree or not. One thing for sure that they want to see is tight sets. It is frustrating though to see what little area we have to hoop.

Well did you get any?

[Ding A Ling]

I read your post carefully and gave it serious thought on how to respond to your statement. Your acknowledgement of poor hoop netting enforcement was understood and I applaud you for clarifying your thoughts. The question is general in nature and I thought simply stated. Do not look for something in it that is not there. Obligated enforcement on the water. As to your question about, “the issue at hand�, I was referring to the ban itself, I am sorry if this was not clear to you, my bad!! I hope this helps!

[edskii]

Since we are not there at all times and also don't know what all the rules are It is impossible to answer the poll honestly. Most of the patrolmen are hard workers just doing their job. The have also rescued and saved lives. Just because we don't aggree with all of the decisions made should not detract from the good they do. Phrasing a poll this way is to elicit primarily argumentative replies. Perhaps another way would be to ask "Has your personal experience with the Harbor Patrol"s enforcement been fair?"

[Ding A Ling]

The poll is directed at everyone’s opinion not just those with first hand personal experience. It is along the lines of everyone’s perception. For example, I am sure you have an opinion of high tech weapons that our military is currently using but you’ve never flown a predator or been a part of the team that uses the new titanium howitzer the Marines now have, but you have an opinion of these and other weapons. Also you have an opinion of the question I have asked, I assure you it is not a trick question.

[edskii]

I got a few Mike.