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Kayak Question?

I recently purchased a Float Tube and now I'm considering purchasing a Kayak too. I'm 6'1, 200lbs. With the research I've done, I'm considering either the Ocean Kayak Prowler 13 Anglers Edition or the Wilderness Tarpon 140 Angler Edition in the Yellow color w/ a Rudder.

I have a bad right shoulder so ease of paddle is very important. What are some of your thoughts and recommendations.

Also, does anyone know where I may be able to pick one up used?

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I can see why it's Bigminh and not THINminh ...JK!

I believe that SteveO went through a similar exercise with kayak trading and settled on a good solution. I'll wait for him to chime in.
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Minh, I've had both shoulders repaired. my right one was worse than my left but i have no problems paddling. i have an ocean kayak drifter angler addition. i know you can't tell by my pics or seeing me in person but i'm like 6'10" 250 lbs! ok i am really 5 foot nothing 190...
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What are some of your thoughts and recommendations.

Also, does anyone know where I may be able to pick one up used?

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Minh people ask these questions all the time. The anwer is always the same. Try before you buy. Pretty simple.

Channel Islands Kayak Center in Oxnard has them both that you can demo. They also have other models as well. I'm biased towards the T140. But that is my opinion and not yours.

Another thing to look at is the paddle, try them all. Don't hesitate to rent first before buy.
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I have paddled the Tarpon 140 and found it easy to paddle and tracks well. But like Potto said try before you buy.

Also look at the Hobbie boats they fly through the water using leg power. Anyone that has fished with John (Yaksailor) knows this and is envious. They do cost a few more $$, but the price includes everything you need. Check out Taylor Tacle in Canoga Park. Im sure Len will give you a good price.
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I'm 6'1" and got you beat by 20lbs(all in the wrong place) Either boat will be great. CI Kayak center has both to demo try them both before you buy. I'd lean more towards the P13. Cant beat a deck layout that was designed for kayakfishing...probably why they outnumber 140's on the water. Oh and be sure to lift both of them up...gotta think about how you're gonna be loading and unloading....some people forget all about that part!
Also IMHO I think a rudder on anything less than 15' is overkill. If your shoulder is strong enough to paddle and carry a yak, making minor corrections while paddling shouldnt require a rudder.
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I havent paddled the 140, but I do like the P13...In fact thats my next yak I plan to purchase, a P13 in sunrise...

I am actually coming off of shoulder surgery, 14 weeks post-op. Talked to the doc the other day and I can start paddling again.

Reioutlet had a killer deal on the p13 with rudder awhile back...it was like 200 off...I missed out

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im no authority on kayak fishing or anything, but i think i can give you a decent review of the prowlers. i havent fished the p13 yet, but from what i know of people who have owned both the p13 and the p15, they handle quite the same, other than the 13 being a little more nimble, due to its shorter length.

i personally own the p15. it is my third kayak. and it is the one im going to stay with.

my first kayak was a cobra navigator (12.5ft long/33" beam). man i loved that boat. it was short and nimble, tracked well, and was very stable, yet it was a little slow. it wasnt a very good choice for my fishing grounds in la jolla, where a 2mile paddle before fishing was required. by the time i got there, i was dog tired.

my second kayak was a cobra tourer (15ft long/28" beam). sleek, fast, pretty stable, considering it had a 28" beam, but didnt track very well at all. i had to spend $175 for the rudder system for it to be a great boat. i used that boat to win my third kayak in a tournament. an OK prowler 15 (15'4" long/28" beam).

this kayak is basically the best of both worlds. everything i didnt like about the other two kayaks were taken away, and everything i loved about the other two kayaks were put into this one. with its length, it is a fast boat, yet surprisingly it tracks very well. and even with her thin beam, the hull design is more stable. i have actually stood on my kayak in calm water. the cockpit is set more to the rear so it is easier to "surf" it in. and the HUGE forward hatch is great for stowing your rods witout worrying about snaggin stuff. matter of fact, i would throw EVERYTHING in the hatch once i got back on the beach (rods, pfd, 2pc paddle, tackle, etc). she isnt as nimble as the shorter kayaks, but nimble enough. and she's fast. i am 5'6" on a good day. 165lbs. i was kayaking with a guy in a malibu kayak. he is 6'3" 200+lbs. big guy. strong guy. couldnt keep up with me and i was just paddling leisurely.

yah sorry about the big post only to end with this advice: test out as many boats as you can. find the one that is right for YOU YOU YOU. find a place that has kayaks for test rides. bring a rod and reel with you to fish for a bit to see how she feels with a rod in your hands. hook up with some kayakfishing friends and try their boats out for a bit to see how you like them. unless you have the money to burn, dont make a hastey decision on buying one right away, only to find out you want something else. and dont believe the hype when it comes to "angler edition" designations on kayaks. the glory of kayakfishing is the "do it yourself" element. when you make due with what youve got. when you weed out the unnecessary. when you can travel lighter than you ever have (even compared to float tubing) because you only have the BARE ESSENTIALS onboard with you. then when YOU YOU YOU find the right boat for YOU YOU YOU, YOU YOU YOU will know that it is YOUR YOUR YOUR boat. and YOU YOU YOU won't want to let it go.

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I havent paddled the 140, but I do like the P13...In fact thats my next yak I plan to purchase, a P13 in sunrise...

I am actually coming off of shoulder surgery, 14 weeks post-op. Talked to the doc the other day and I can start paddling again.

Reioutlet had a killer deal on the p13 with rudder awhile back...it was like 200 off...I missed out
glad to hear you are recovering well.
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Minh,
I'll just answer your questions here, as others may be interested. I've seen similar questions on other sites. Everyone suggests renting kayaks, but you'll probably not find a place that will rent a Mirage.

I wouldn't trade my Hobie Mirage Tandem for anything, except maybe 2 Mirage Revolutions. I may have to do this soon, as my son seems to be gaining weight fast (dam McDonalds! ).

My Mirage has been out 117 times, and I have never been disappointed. It is extremely manueverable and fast (with pedals.) I can sail it and troll while propelling myself around jettys and stones. It is extremely stable and sturdy. Here's the pluses and minuses:

Advantages:
1. Fast, because of the extremely efficient pedal system. No eddies created (like with paddles), pedal in the water 100% of the time, power stroke in both directions. You use your legs, which are about 2x as strong as your arms.
2. Dry. You don't get wet from paddle splashing. The yak sits way above the water. I can wear my pants and tennis shoes if we dock launch, no problem.
3. Sail. If you are into sailing, this is for you. The pedals act as a keel and allows you to reach and tack.
4. Stable and manueverable. It handles well in the waves and wind. The rudder allows you to turn on a dime.

Disadvantages:
1. Slow, if you are using the oars only. This yak is not sleek. Without the pedals, and rudder, it has a mind of it's own. It'll go where it wants to go. This makes it really tough to beach land sometimes. I always land with the pedals stowed. You only have a 5 - 7 second window sometimes to get in between waves. With this yak, you've gotta time it just right, or sploosh!
2. Not much room. The pedals take the space where you'd normally stow your catch, bait tank, rods or fish finder. I've never known anything else, so I work around it OK.
3. Weight. This sucker weighs around 100 lbs with everything on it. I noticed that my pedals are aluminum, whereas the new ones are plastic. They took a few pounds off in the new design. Don't expect to get up the stairs at Deer Creek or Leo with this yak. Also, the stock wheels are poor for a heavy beast like this- you will need wider ones if you plan to beach launch.
4. Reliability. Although mine hasn't failed yet, there's a lot of parts to break. See the pics below to get an idea of the sprockets, cables, levers, bearings and chains involved. There's a lot of machining that went into this yak. Even the oar joints are machined.
5. Cost. All the items in #4 above means $$$.
6. The pedals do get caught in the kelp occasionally, but they're easy to lift out. Sometimes I just slog through it, and the leave a chewed up path behind me. At times, it's OK because I can just use the pedals to anchor in the kelp.

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Even with the disadvantages, I'd still stick with the Mirage, but that's just me. My guess is that the majority of people would not go with the pedal system. Hope this helps.
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